I started giving Cady small amounts of whole milk in her bottles at about 4 ozs. per day. I know that during this same trial my sister was giving Cady french fries from McDonald's about three or four days (which I firmly put my foot down about). In any case, over the last four days, Cady's developed a rash, bumpy...definitely allergic, from what I've seen with my older one. And, she also seems to have developed a little eczema on her cheeks. My question is, can fries cause that sort of reaction? She's been on milk-based formula, so can she have some sort of reaction to whole milk? Now, I also used a different type of wipe...one I've used successfully on her when she was little and I do use them on her face after she eats. I'm confused. I stopped the whole milk yesterday, she won't be getting fries any more, and I went and got her usual wipes. Where to go from here. I don't know. She doesn't even like straight whole milk, but likes skim, so I may ask the GI if I can go that route. In any case, where do you think we should go from here with figuring out this rash?

Judy,

I think all you can do at this point is stop all the new things, wait for her skin to clear up and introduce them one at a time. Good luck!

What Lesley said! LOL! She is right. You need to start back at square one in order to determine what caused the problem. Give her time to clear up and then introduce one thing at a time, giving at least 4 days or more with each new food to see if there is a reaction.

New wipes caused a winkie infection in Walker. I was a new Mom and although I had originally bought non-scented the next container was scented and when I wiped him it caused raging problems. He also had a bit of a rash on his chin from when I used one of them to clear some spittle so I am positive that scented wipes are not good. In fact, a few friends make their own wipes and do not use commercial ones at all due to sensitivities.

I think skim milk does not have enough nutrients in it for a growing baby, but I would ask the GI for sure.

Keep us posted, Judy. Hope Cady feels better soon.

Good luck pinpointing the cause of Cady's rash. Hopefully, it'll clear up in no time.

Noah's GI has him on 2%. I didn't know why, but I think Janette told me it causes less reflux problems. I just never did ask...just followed orders on that one. Maybe you could try that. It'd be a happy medium between whole and skim.

It does make some sense that the less fat in 2% would be easier for refluxers, but I still think they need the whole milk for nutrition, especially when having feeding issues. Hmmm. Will have to ask my ped about that one for sure next time I am there.

Parker was on a hypoallergenic milk based formula and when we went to whole milk came out in a rash like the one you describe. We switched to Goat and the rash cleared, it took about 3 weeks to go, but it did settle as soon as I switched. As Lesley says wait for the rash to clear and then try it out, I would start with the milk though, probably the most probable.
rachel

AJ reacted to formula w/ constipation, w/ milk he got a rash and the constipation got worse. Now he gets diarrhea from cow's milk, but seems o.k. w/ cheese. He had to go to rice milk at 13 mos b/c he can't have soy either. I had to add olive oil and rice protein powder to it though to makeit more like whole milk. Skim milk does NOT have enough fat for a child under 2, un;ess you're adding it in her diet elsewhere.

The whole milk issue came up with my first daughter when she basically went on a whole milk strike and refused milk for about 2 months after she turned one. The ped. said to try 2%. No go...wouldn't drink it. We gave that a good two week trial. The ped. then said to try skim. She LOVED it, just drank and drank and drank. So, I phoned up the ped. and said she loved it, so the ped. said to allow her Goldfish crackers, cheese, puddings, pasta with meat sauce, grilled cheese, peanut butter and jelly, etc...foods with added calories and fat to replace what she was losing in drinking whole milk. It worked well. Kaylin did perfectly fine growing up. She was pudgy and smart.

From what the GI was saying the last time we went when I asked him about the transition to whole milk, he said "We might not be going that way, we'll discuss it next time." We'll see what he says when we go in a couple of weeks. I don't think 2% is out of the picture. I don't however WANT to go the skim milk route. I do believe that a little fat in milk is important, but I certainly won't worry about what milk she drinks, as long as she drinks it. FAT is what babies' brains need to thrive and that can always be replaced with other foods.

My son was on Lactaid from 15 months until he was nearly 3, and it only came in skim way back then. His ped said it was not a problem because a child with a well-rounded (operative words there) diet gets plenty of fat from other sources.

Sorry to temporarily hijack here, but was Trey taking lactaid the milk or a lactose intolerance pill before consuming lactose, Lesley? I am asking as I am sure lactaid is a milk alternative we used here, but we are using soy for the last two years with Curran and our ped wants us to try and use lactese(sp?) tablets with him when he consumes a little milk to see if that will help with his gastro issues. He has a very low RAST to milk (was off milk for a long time prior to testing) and seems to react to it. Just curious if anyone has used the lactose intolerance pills root.

Not with children, but my sister is lactose intolerant, but loves ice cream and milk shakes, so she does take those pills. I haven't paid attention to what they were called, but it does make her tummy feel better. She's 34, though, so I don't know about little ones.

[FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Sorry to temporarily hijack here, but was Trey taking lactaid the milk or a lactose intolerance pill before consuming lactose, Lesley? I am asking as I am sure lactaid is a milk alternative we used here

Lactaid milk. He was pretty much dairy free otherwise. We've gone to a total elimination diet (turkey, rice and not much else) several times with him when a particularly nasty case of eczema would rear its ugly head. The last time was 3 years ago so I think we're in the clear (although still avoiding pecans like the plague).

Hmmm. Thanks, ladies. Maybe I will post about the pills when I get around to fitting this trial into our schedule. I will do it in the New Year, just have to get those pills and figure out if you give them before or after consuming lactose. Bill took them for a little bit, but I really can not remember how they worked anymore.

Noah's GI has him on 2%. I didn't know why, but I think Janette told me it causes less reflux problems. I just never did ask...just followed orders on that one. Maybe you could try that. It'd be a happy medium between whole and skim.
Yes, that was me. Like Leigh, I was concerned at first about not using the whole milk that is necessary for the healthy development of a child's brain, but learned from the dietitian that it was okay to supplement with butter and oils to add in that fat, since the whole milk made the vomiting a lot worse.

I started giving Cady small amounts of whole milk in her bottles at about 4 ozs. per day. I know that during this same trial my sister was giving Cady french fries from McDonald's about three or four days (which I firmly put my foot down about). In any case, over the last four days, Cady's developed a rash, bumpy...definitely allergic, from what I've seen with my older one. And, she also seems to have developed a little eczema on her cheeks. My question is, can fries cause that sort of reaction? She's been on milk-based formula, so can she have some sort of reaction to whole milk? Now, I also used a different type of wipe...one I've used successfully on her when she was little and I do use them on her face after she eats. I'm confused. I stopped the whole milk yesterday, she won't be getting fries any more, and I went and got her usual wipes. Where to go from here. I don't know. She doesn't even like straight whole milk, but likes skim, so I may ask the GI if I can go that route. In any case, where do you think we should go from here with figuring out this rash?
I would think, Judy, that the whole milk would not cause the rash, as Cady has already been exposed to milk and done fine. I'm betting on the kind of oil that the fries were cooked in or the wipe. Evan's skin has always been super sensitive, so he gets a rash from certain laundry detergents and some wipes, especially the scented ones.

Sorry to temporarily hijack here, but was Trey taking lactaid the milk or a lactose intolerance pill before consuming lactose, Lesley? I am asking as I am sure lactaid is a milk alternative we used here, but we are using soy for the last two years with Curran and our ped wants us to try and use lactese(sp?) tablets with him when he consumes a little milk to see if that will help with his gastro issues. He has a very low RAST to milk (was off milk for a long time prior to testing) and seems to react to it. Just curious if anyone has used the lactose intolerance pills root.
I think that if it's not a true milk allergy, the lactose pills (or drops) should work. B/c I have a milk allergy, I find that the pills don't always do the trick for me, if I choose to "cheat" a little.

A few things. You have to remember formula is more broken down than cow's milk, the proteins are a lot easier to digest in formula. Making that switch can bring out the milk intolerance to a noticable level in many children, including my oldest who didn't get rashes from milk till cow's milk was introduced.

For a milk allergy, or even protein intolerance, the lactose pills won't help at all as that effects the sugar, NOT the protein.

Leigh, since he tested + on the RAST, I would skip milk dairy altogether for him. I've known children who tested low have ana reactions during food trials. By keeping up his exposure to dairy you could be feeing his allergy and making it worse. There are plenty of alternatives w/out need to have dairy in his diet. Lactese (I'm assuming is like lactaid) won't help his allergy.

[QUOTE=thepeach80]A few things. You have to remember formula is more broken down than cow's milk, the proteins are a lot easier to digest in formula. Making that switch can bring out the milk intolerance to a noticable level in many children, including my oldest who didn't get rashes from milk till cow's milk was introduced.

This happened to both my son's, does this mean they is intolerent to milk or have an allergy. They both came out with a eczena rash with whole milk but not goat milk or cheese and yogurt.

Also could he have soy as I am unsure to try if it does give him a rash. Goat milk is not always available here but soy is.

When can I start using whole milk again?

I have asked my dr's and they just say if the goat works use it, but it doesn't explain it.

If it was an allergy, cheese and yogurt would do it too. It did w/ AJ at first, but he seems o.k. now. We try every 6 mos or so w/ either dairy or soy. We did dairy and 2 and haven't tried soy too recently though. If he does o.k. on goat's milk, that's good b/c only about 3-5% of kids who have cow's milk issues can tolerate goat's milk too. I would try soy and see what happens. That's what we did and then we realized he had soy issues too and went to rice milk.

For a milk allergy, or even protein intolerance, the lactose pills won't help at all as that effects the sugar, NOT the protein.

Leigh, since he tested + on the RAST, I would skip milk dairy altogether for him. I've known children who tested low have ana reactions during food trials. By keeping up his exposure to dairy you could be feeing his allergy and making it worse. There are plenty of alternatives w/out need to have dairy in his diet. Lactese (I'm assuming is like lactaid) won't help his allergy.

He was very low on the RAST, but I wonder if it was because we had stopped all milk, milk products, casein and whey for months prior to the testing? The ped allergist said not to worry about it and only stop milk if it bothered him and this has led us to allow him some in breads, cereals, etc. but his main drink is still soy. If I offer him a sip of milk he produces a wretched (more so than usual) poop and writhes in pain from cramps. I do not recall ever seeing any rashes or signs of allergy other than the poop. The ped says to try and treat it as an intolerance and use the lactese which is a pill you take to help with intolerances.

If I do a trial with lactese I wonder if it will give me an accurate view of his milk issues? If they do not work as Janette says then I will know if I bump him up a bit on his consumption of milk and see no difference. We have done the full pull of dairy from his diet in the past and found it hard then and I wonder how I can control it now that he is in a daycare and will return to school at somepoint in the New Year.

What would you do for the most accurate portrayal? I could rotate milk in every 4 days in small amounts after making sure he is 100% free of it for a few weeks. Gee, there are too many factors. I understand that I could be feeding his allergy though. The ped allergist said not to worry unless the RAST was high for anaphalactic shock. Then again, she told me not to worry about his cashew RAST which was moderate and yet he has NEVER had cashews. That is the last nut we have to challenge now.

We've never done the RAST, just the SPT and patch so I don't know much about it. I'd still do strict avoidance for anything considered a mild allergy. If they can't call it negative, I'd avoid it completely. I know AJ's is just an intolerance, not an allergy (that we know of anyways, he probably should see the allergist again next month) so I do allow him to have cheese now and milk in stuff, but he can't handle cow's milk. The problem w/ mild allergies like we both knowis 'feeding' them and making them worse. You might ask on the main forum at www.kidswithfoodallergies.org I love them! You control his allergy by letting EVERYONE who cares for him know about them. It's the same thing for controlling any other food allergy. I just ordered Evan a bib and shirt today for when I start working out again and he has to stay in the nursery at work that tells everyone to not feed him b/c of severe allergies. He's Neocate only right now so NOTHING is safe for him. Youo make it clear your child doesn't eat anything that doesn't come w/ him to daycare, school, etc. We had to do this for a while w/ AJ when he was strictly dairy/soy free. He's just strictly soy free now, but that's easier to control.