well things went better then expected. The dentest is still amoung the living. The bond is off of her teeth and there is staining. Since there is stains and they can't tell if it is the begining of decay or just a stain they can't re bond her teeth because then they won't know if her teeth are decaying. She has 4 teeth that are not being effected but all the rest are and there are 3 that are pre cavity but so far we are keeping those at bay.

We are suppose to brush her teeth with a flouride tooth paste AM and PM and then throughout the day we are to rinse her teeth with a "swallow toothpaste" after every meal and if she says that she threw-up in her mouth. Then once a week we are to use a flouride RX treatment on her teeth as long as we are sure that she won't swallow. I did a bit of research as to the side effects of flouride and they are awful. I am not sure we are going to use the flouride. I found a web-site for wholistic dentistry in Colorado. I think I will refer to them to see if there is a safer avenue before I go the flouride rought.

All in all it went well, she was awsome in the chair. She did so well that I bought her a dinosaur puzzle that she wipped out in just a few minutes. She is so smart:snowman: and I'm not partial I promise:xmas1:

Thanks for all of your help last night. I don't think I would have gotten any sleeep without you all.

Sue

Wow! Thanks for the update:snowman: I would not be good at keeping up with that!

I am scared that I am going to drop the ball. Tomorrow I am going to go buy 1000 toothbrush's and lay them all over the house and in my car and purse. But knowing what we have been through I sort of have a fire under my butt. I hope that I put that fire under the butt of others who's children don't have teeth yet.

Sue

Glad to hear that the appt. went well. The only danger that I know of is an upset tummy if the fluoride is swallowed. What other dangers are there?

Keep up on those dentist appointments !!! Noah has actually to date lost all of his back molars on the bottom and all but 2 on the top, also the backside of his front top & bottom teeth are very bad from the acid and all of the medications he's had.

Sue,I am glad to hear that the appointment went well. I do wish you luck and hope that things stay were they are.


Melanie

Flouride is actually poisonis to the body if swallowed. It can cause infertility, thyroid failure, and a few more bad things that I don't remember off the top of my head.

Sounds like Noah and Savannah should talk. She has 3 molars that are threatening to go and the back of all her fron teeth are brown and the front of her front teeth are yellow and bummpy. Her two year old molars are doing well. She didn't get them until she was well over two. By then we were aware of the problems reflux causes and brushed them all the time. Now we carry around a toothbrush and after every meal and every time she says she "threw up into her mouth" we brush her teeth. That is why I am so mad that we didn't know all the teeth stuff before. If a ped would have just said one thing I would have ran with it. Since her two year molars are much better then all the rest it makes me think that things wouldn't be so bad now. We may have had some damage cuz she was a 10X a day puker and only God knows how many times she just refluxed without food.

Needless to say these kiddos have enough on their plate. It is up to people like all of us who live it to inform others getting ready take this journey. I hope that all these new babies that are added to the site each month can learn from us and have all the info they need to make it better for them.

sue

Seems like we always have one more thing to deal with. I have yet to check Iain and Curran, but Walker is good thus far, although they highly reccommeded the bond for him as he had a prior history of GER. That is how I knew about the bond needing to be checked every 9 months to a year. We did not do it this visit, but will do it in the new year (they do not like to do cleaning and then a bond as it does not adhere properly right afterward).

I hope that you will be able to save her other teeth. At least it came now before you had more cavities again. Little comfort, I know, but you are doing the best that you can with all these curveballs.

You know what I am greatful for is that we know the reflux causes damage before her perminant teeth came in.

Sue

I hope the tooth fairey is with your children as well as mine protecting them. When did all of this start for your children? Jadce just turned 3 he is not a refluxer but did have pyloric stinosis. I hope we are no headed down the same dental path as yall. Please tell me every thing you know and how I can further prevent this.

I am sorry to hear you are going down the dental path. It is no fun. I have a healthy fear of the dentist to begin with so to watch my DD have to go every 3 months is hard for me to watch. She has stableized though. Once we repaired the 9 broken teeth and filled, god only knows how many, teeth. she stopped having a progression with the remaining teeth. We have had her teeth cleaned every 6 month and once a week with brush her teeth (very carefully) with a high consontration of floride tooth paste. ( the kind you can get from the Dentist) We don't give her any thing chewy as it can stick to the teeth and get in between. That means no gummy bears angry3:. She has to stay away from things that are harder then an apple because some of her teeth are brittle. there are a couple of teeth that are brown and those we are watching daily as they may turn into a cavity at any time. One of the things I would recomend to you for prevention is to brush teeth in the AM and PM and carry around "swallow" toothpaste (toothpaste for infants) and a toothbrush and bursh teeth any time your little on eats. Always keep candy in your purse ( if you don't mind surgar now and again) that you child can have. (ie: chocolate (w/o carmel), smarties...) as people are not to sensetive and will offer things you child can't have. This way you never have to feel guilty for saying no. There has been a few times now that our pre-school teacher has given our DD starburst. (I can't even begin to express on how many levels that is wrong for a 4-5 year old) non-the-less it was given to her as a reward so we headed to the store and I told her that I would let her pick any thing (with in reason) if she would give me the starburt.

Does your little one need the delay surgery? We have tried to stay way from the surgery and it looks like we may have made the right choose. She is now only medicated when she stops eating. We are a bit concered still because she has not gained much weight even though it seems she is eating OK (for her anyway) and she is now starting to deal with, what looks like, hypoglycimia (sp?).

I wish you and your little one Gods blessings
Sue

Thank you for the suggestion about the "swallow" toothpaste. We are in for about 6 fillings and maybe an enamel treatment. What ever that is? I have cut out all candy and cokes. I am only offering juce every other day and milk only in the afternoon after nap 2 cups. We quit sippy cups cold turkey. I am debating to throw them out or save them for Izaviaha. I think that we have stressed all of this very clearly to him he has not put up a fight. When he asks for something he cant have we just say no it will hurt your teath and no drama. (yet)

(You said: and no drama. (yet))

Hee Hee I love the yet part. Since your child is three I would expect major opposition at this point. my 2 1/2 year old is just starting that. And oh my goodness.

You know as long as he is OK with these changes it is better for him anyway. That is great you are able to do that. Our DD refused all food for about a 1 1/2 years and the way the OT got her to eat was with sugar and licourise (sp? holy moly) So now she knows all about the "good stull" She every morning without fail will ask me for a treat the minute she wakes up. I have never said yes so I don't know why she even thinks it's a possablity. I think she is trying to wear me down.

Have a great night
Sue

What do you do with the swallow toothpaste? Do you just put it in her mouth and she swallows or do you actually brush while out then she just swallows and your done? That would be a great thing for us, as Chelsea has issues too.

I think the swallow toothpaste is used the same way you would regular toothpaste but instead of spitting it back out (as regular toothpaste can cause an upset stomach since it is not meant to be swallowed) you just swallow it. Great when you are on the fly and not able to spend a lot of time brushing between snacks.